00:00:01 <azawawi> garu: and there is chapter 2 of it also...
00:00:05 <szabgab> can you please go over the text and let me know what do you think?
00:00:37 <azawawi> szabgab: where is that code of conduct link?
00:00:47 <szabgab> on our home page at the bottom
00:00:54 <azawawi> http://padre.perlide.org/code_of_conduct.html
00:01:18 <garu> azawawi, ah, that's the new one... the ones I haven't played
00:01:35 <Ryan52> hm. "of any gender identity or expression, race, ethnicity, size, nationality, sexual orientation, ability level, religion, culture, subculture, and political opinion."
00:01:40 <Ryan52> is that the standard thing people use?
00:01:49 <szabgab> is that monkey island a windows based game ?
00:02:11 <szabgab> Ryan52, I took it from the DW site
00:02:31 <Ryan52> imo age should be added to that list.
00:02:41 <azawawi> szabgab: yup
00:02:48 <szabgab> adding it
00:02:52 <azawawi> szabgab: they're going for a new business model
00:03:01 <azawawi> szabgab: $9 a chapter...
00:03:53 <garu> azawawi, I thought you meant this one: http://www.worldofmi.com/thegames/monkey2/index.php
00:03:58 <szabgab> my kids have linux at home
00:05:36 <szabgab> any of you tried this and managed to get it working http://www.quakelive.com/  ?
00:05:36 <Hyppolit> svn: r7468 | garu++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7468
00:05:36 <Hyppolit>      fixed small typo
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00:06:25 <Hyppolit> svn: r7469 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7469
00:06:25 <Hyppolit>      add age
00:06:25 <Hyppolit>      trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/tt/pages/
00:06:28 <garu> szabgab, old SCUMM games like monkey island 2 (mine, not azawawi's) can be played with SCUMMvm on linux
00:07:37 <garu> szabgab, what do you mean by "therefore" on the first sentence of the page?
00:08:00 <Hyppolit> svn: r7470 | ryan52++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7470
00:08:00 <Hyppolit>      fix spelling mistake
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00:08:10 <garu> that because it's based on DW then the doc is CC ?
00:08:20 <szabgab> yes
00:08:30 <szabgab> though maybe the therefore is not needed
00:08:36 <szabgab> just keep it CC
00:09:02 <garu> yeah, I think so
00:10:47 <Hyppolit> svn: r7471 | ryan52++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7471
00:10:47 <Hyppolit>      missing period
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00:11:08 <garu> szabgab, I think the most important sentence there is "we welcome you". So maybe we should make it bold, put more space between it and the others, or whatever
00:11:13 <garu> I'd <h2> it
00:11:20 <szabgab> go ahead
00:11:33 <Ryan52> might stick out a bit too much then. why not just use <b>?
00:11:59 <Ryan52> eh, I'm not a web dev (well except at my paid job), I'll just be quiet. :)
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00:16:09 <Hyppolit> svn: r7472 | garu++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7472
00:16:09 <Hyppolit>      let's see how it goes with a little more emphasis
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00:17:01 <Hyppolit> svn: r7473 | garu++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7473
00:17:01 <Hyppolit>      naah, it sucks... let's try a little less emphasis
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00:17:32 <garu> how is it?
00:17:36 <garu> still sucks/
00:17:40 <garu> still sucks?
00:18:15 <garu> maybe we should try <strong> instead of <em>
00:18:21 <garu> or whatever
00:18:48 <Ryan52> ya, maybe a <strong> would be better.
00:18:52 <Ryan52> tho it looks good right now.
00:19:16 <Ryan52> (not sure that it emphesizes as much as you wanted, tho)
00:19:21 <Hyppolit> svn: r7474 | garu++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7474
00:19:21 <Hyppolit>      one more time
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00:19:43 <garu> better.
00:19:55 <garu> line spacing is still bothering me though
00:20:03 <Ryan52> 3rd times a charm.
00:20:25 <garu> Ryan52, spoke like a natural monk^H^H release manager :)
00:20:43 <Ryan52> hahaha
00:21:22 <szabgab> garu, in the end it will be changed to be some css magic as the rest of the site is
00:22:15 <garu> szabgab, cool!
00:22:28 <Hyppolit> svn: r7475 | garu++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7475
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00:24:59 <Hyppolit> svn: r7476 | garu++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7476
00:24:59 <Hyppolit>      added a small "license" bit, but it requires further improvement or replacement
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00:25:10 <garu> szabgab, please read that bit ^^
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00:25:26 <garu> I'm not sure it's on the right place
00:25:40 <garu> nor if it's the case
00:25:59 <garu> but I think we should mention our license
00:26:05 <garu> (somewhere)
00:26:15 <moritz> hi, upon request by azawawi this channel is now publicly logged at http://irclog.perlgeek.de/padre/today - if anybody objects please /kick ilbot2 and/or tell me ;-)
00:27:06 <szabgab> moritz, thanks
00:28:04 <szabgab> garu, I am not sure that is correct there
00:28:23 <szabgab> we can upload to the server stuff that we won't distribute with Padre
00:28:46 <szabgab> on the other hand , maybe it is ok
00:28:57 <szabgab> in the end I think we better consult a lawyer
00:29:17 <garu> szabgab, yeah, that's what I thought... however, we cannot upload to the server something proprietary
00:29:35 <garu> like a monkey island binary :)
00:29:54 <szabgab> garu, I asked the dw people and theysay they don't have the 'age' thing there because they don't let children under 13 use their service and because of COPPA
00:29:55 * garu misses his old ms-dos games
00:30:13 <szabgab> garu, yes
00:30:33 <szabgab> I am also planning to add a separate page describing the license of Padre itself
00:31:24 <szabgab> Every time I look at a project I check its license to make sure it is open source and yet Padre does not have it on its website, yet
00:31:42 <Ryan52> szabgab: ah, that makes sense.
00:31:56 <garu> szabgab, good idea
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00:32:17 <garu> szabgab, I don't think we need to worry about COPPA --> http://www.coppa.org/comply.htm
00:32:30 <szabgab> garu http://geekfeminism.org/2009/08/19/girly-geekdom-for-girls-only/#comment-227
00:32:38 <Ryan52> ya, it only affects online services, I think.
00:32:51 <szabgab> reading
00:33:00 <garu> not that, just check "personal information"
00:33:56 <garu> as long as there is no way one can identify and contact the kid online (via the website, irc is not web), it's not "personal information"
00:37:36 <Ryan52> those COPPA laws are kind of silly anyways.
00:38:12 <garu> most US laws are, unfortunately
00:38:21 <Ryan52> they forgot one important detail.. kids know how to lie about their age :)
00:38:24 <garu> or perhaps I should s/US// to that statement :)
00:38:40 <garu> "Of course you can always comment on your own code that it is crappy as long as it is clear to everyone that you are talking about your own code. "
00:38:53 <Ryan52> :D
00:39:11 <garu> so we should s/TODO: Make this code suck less/TODO: Make my code here suck less/
00:39:12 <garu> ?
00:39:52 <Ryan52> ya probably
00:40:27 <Ryan52> or s/suck less/better/ :)
00:41:32 <garu> naah... that's politically correctly taking all the fun in coding :)
00:42:10 <garu> I for one don't bash on other people's code, but I'm really overcritical on my own code
00:42:19 <garu> specially when I -know- it sucks
00:42:40 <Ryan52> I think all coders are that way.
00:42:46 <garu> exactly
00:43:06 <garu> ergo, we all suck :)
00:43:11 <Ryan52> heh :)
00:44:06 <garu> it's just a matter of wanting to make the world a better place (or Padre a better IDE), one crappy line of code at a time :)
00:45:12 <garu> like szabgab once said, that's the beauty of collaboration... you write a feature stub with crappy code and before you know it it's all improved and shiny
00:56:07 <szabgab> garu, I think we should add that to the TODOs in code
00:56:28 <szabgab> and probably should also sign it so people know who is saying that
00:57:11 <szabgab> TODO: I know it sucks but I added this code in a hurry, please fix it - szabgba
00:57:29 <szabgab> with correct spelling of your name
00:57:33 <garu> heh
00:58:26 <szabgab> just put yourself in the shoes of someone who is not into the hard-core perl community yet who sees the code full of comments "this sucks fix it"
00:59:01 <Ryan52> tough love? :)
00:59:04 <szabgab> and then thinks to herself, hmm, so I'll write some code that is not to the liking of this szabgab guy and he will tell me my code sucks
00:59:36 <szabgab> and for that matter tell the whole world my code sucks
00:59:53 <szabgab> I got such comments from several people and it hurt
01:00:14 <szabgab> even though I have some experience in the community
01:00:37 <szabgab> the Perl community I mean
01:01:15 <garu> we just say she's not good enough --> http://www.shadowcat.co.uk/archive/conference-video/yapc-eu-2008/you-arent-good-enough/
01:04:13 <Ryan52> who is that?
01:05:12 <szabgab> mst
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01:33:37 <Hyppolit>      more code of conduct
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03:23:38 <Hyppolit>      Big clean up of code.  
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03:23:38 <Hyppolit>      * removed VCI references.
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03:23:38 <Hyppolit>      * all methods should now use SVN::Class
03:23:38 <Hyppolit>      * waiting on SVN::Class 0.15 with patch for multiline commits then roll out the lib line.
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03:53:16 <Hyppolit>      Cleaned up some more code.
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04:07:58 <azawawi> hello
04:08:10 <Sewi> hi azawawi
04:08:20 <azawawi> alright http://irclog.perlgeek.de/padre/today is on :)
04:08:56 <azawawi> moritz_++
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05:56:29 <azawawi> hello
05:57:16 <azawawi> szabgab: could we add http://irclog.perlgeek.de/padre/today to #padre welcome message?
05:57:57 <szabgab> to the topic you mean ?
05:58:04 <szabgab> you can also do that as you are an OP
05:58:08 <azawawi> yeah
05:58:08 <szabgab> but I'll do it
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05:58:28 <azawawi> judging that i didnt know its name is a topic :)
05:58:33 <azawawi> you can guess the rest lol
05:58:44 <szabgab> you just need to say /topic whatever is the new topic
05:59:01 <azawawi> nice
05:59:15 <szabgab> and it overwrites the previous one
05:59:52 * azawawi back to Perl 5 quick fixes :)
06:00:29 <azawawi> szabgab: i remember you had a list of common Perl 5 errors somewhere....
06:03:37 <azawawi> things are a bit hazy with fasting. low on sugar :)
06:06:47 <szabgab> on our wiki somewhere
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06:38:25 <Hyppolit> svn: r7480 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7480
06:38:25 <Hyppolit>      [Padre] Refactoring quick fix calls...
06:38:25 <Hyppolit>      trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Menu/
06:39:45 <szabgab> azawawi, can't you just sleep over most of the day and work at night?
06:43:23 <Hyppolit> svn: r7481 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7481
06:43:23 <Hyppolit>      [Padre] The story of Perl 5's quick fix begins...
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06:46:32 <azawawi> szabgab: no :)
06:46:47 <azawawi> szabgab: beside even if we're low on sugar, there is so much left :)
06:46:58 <azawawi> szabgab: and work ends at 15:00 lol
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06:57:58 <Hyppolit> svn: r7482 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7482
06:57:58 <Hyppolit>      add copyright and license to download page and to a separare legal.html page linked from the footer
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06:58:55 <Hyppolit> svn: r7483 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7483
06:58:55 <Hyppolit>      [Padre] Moved & fixed pod docs
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07:07:02 <Hyppolit>      [Padre] Fix the quick fix provider
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07:07:56 <Hyppolit> svn: r7485 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7485
07:07:56 <Hyppolit>      [Perl 6] Quick fixes are working again ... i hope :)
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07:09:06 <Hyppolit> svn: r7486 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7486
07:09:06 <Hyppolit>      [Padre] Perl 5 'use strict; use warning;' quick fix is brewing
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07:10:22 <Hyppolit> svn: r7487 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7487
07:10:22 <Hyppolit>      [Perl 6] Perl tidy
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07:14:03 <Hyppolit>      [Padre] Perl tidy
07:14:03 <Hyppolit>      trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/QuickFixProvider/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Menu/
07:24:26 <Hyppolit> svn: r7489 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7489
07:24:26 <Hyppolit>      [Padre] Perl's 'use strict; use warnings;' is implemented. Not refactored though :)
07:24:26 <Hyppolit>      trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/QuickFixProvider/
07:27:06 * azawawi back to sleep :)
07:29:27 <Hyppolit> svn: r7490 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7490
07:29:27 <Hyppolit>      [Padre] Updated Changes
07:29:27 <Hyppolit>      trunk/Padre/
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10:39:16 <Hyppolit> svn: r7491 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7491
10:39:16 <Hyppolit>      [SDL] add exampla dragging butterfly without a tail
10:39:16 <Hyppolit>      trunk/Padre-Plugin-SDL/lib/Padre/Plugin/SDL/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-SDL/share/examples/
10:41:57 <El_Che> szabgab: following ubuntu steps?
10:42:38 <szabgab> El_Che, what do you mean ?
10:42:44 <szabgab> ah the code of conduct?
10:42:51 <El_Che> yes
10:43:06 <szabgab> yes and those of DreamWidth
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10:43:17 <El_Che> making explecit something pretty obvious and yet not always respected
10:44:58 <szabgab> the code of conduct I added is especially something that we already fell in the trap several times
10:45:49 <szabgab> I hope that the padre developers will agree that we should eliminate such behavior from our community
10:46:35 <El_Che> do you forsee negative reactions?
10:48:22 <szabgab> maybe questions of clarifications
10:49:03 <szabgab> the question of course is how do we make sure we act according to these guidelines?
10:56:27 <El_Che> the tricky thing is when to kick people out
10:56:36 <El_Che> you'll getting committees, etc
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11:24:28 <rindolf> Hi all.
11:24:40 <rindolf> szabgab: about http://padre.perlide.org/code_of_conduct.html
11:25:00 <rindolf> szabgab: the font is too small and enlarging it (using Ctrl++) results in a horizontal scrollbar.
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12:25:40 <rindolf> szabgab: ping.
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12:26:06 <Ryan52> okay, the code of conduct is important. good idea szabgab.
12:27:20 <Ryan52> today I saw some lead developers of a project being really rude, and thought to myself "this is exactly why I went MIA on your project".
12:32:15 <El_Che> centos?
12:34:54 <Ryan52> El_Che: hm?
12:37:21 <El_Che> there is some trouble in centos-land lately, I thought you were pointing to that
12:37:54 <Ryan52> nah, just the debian installer team...nothing big really.
12:48:01 <szabgab> rindolf, I think it is the same font size as on the rest of the pages but yeah, they seem to be a bit small
12:49:08 <rindolf> szabgab: OK.
12:49:36 <szabgab> you did not feel them small on the other pages?
12:50:44 <rindolf> szabgab: didn't look.
12:50:46 <rindolf> Let me do that.
12:51:09 <rindolf> http://padre.perlide.org/ - here it's OK.
12:51:22 <rindolf> http://padre.perlide.org/download.html - also her.
12:51:29 <rindolf> Oh wait. 
12:51:41 <rindolf> Firefox may have remembered my Ctrl-+ setting
12:51:58 <rindolf> http://padre.perlide.org/download.html - oh yes, it's small.
12:52:46 <rindolf> http://padre.perlide.org/support.html - here it is also small.
12:54:29 <szabgab> so needs to tinker with the css I guess
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13:17:03 <Hyppolit> svn: r7492 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7492
13:17:03 <Hyppolit>      enlarge font on web site
13:17:03 <Hyppolit>      trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/documentroot/static/
13:17:49 <szabgab> rindolf, what about now ?
13:19:07 <rindolf> szabgab: let me see.
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13:21:05 <rindolf> szabgab: seems a bit better.
13:21:19 <rindolf> Or not.
13:21:20 <rindolf> http://padre.perlide.org/code_of_conduct.html
13:21:44 <rindolf> Oh wait, now the font is larger, but I'm getting a horizontal scrollbar.
13:21:52 <rindolf> With the text cut-off.
13:22:00 <rindolf> Who created this stylesheet?
13:24:50 <szabgab> it is mostly submersible , I just increased the font size by 25%
13:25:14 <szabgab> he is in .au so probably no awake now
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16:02:34 <submersible> yeah baby - look a diversity stmt and legals
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17:43:33 <azawawi> hi
17:51:00 <Ryan52> hi azawawi 
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18:17:22 * user_6029 had the exquisite pleasure of New->Perl6 and crashing Padre...
18:17:57 <azawawi> interesting
18:17:59 <azawawi> 0.41?
18:18:01 <user_6029> ...then I notepad'ed up a "z.p6" with "say 'Hello'", opened it in Padre, ensuring that it's Viewed As Perl6, and pressed F5...
18:18:19 <user_6029> ...and it said something like "The execution mode of this document had not defined"...
18:18:39 <azawawi> i see
18:18:44 <user_6029> ...and then I  pressed ctrl-F5, typing in "1+1"; again it said "failed to start running the program"...
18:19:04 <user_6029> Yes, 0.41 combined +6 installer, WinXP
18:19:05 <azawawi> Six?
18:19:13 <user_6029> aye.
18:19:27 <user_6029> this is my first time ever tried padre or joining the #padre channel...
18:19:34 <azawawi> hmmm we should release a new 0.44 soon that solves most problems
18:19:44 <azawawi> 0.41 was alpha (first release of everything)
18:19:52 <user_6029> Hah, actually!
18:19:59 <user_6029> Start Padre, New... -> Perl 5 SCript
18:19:59 <user_6029> also crashed Padre.
18:20:04 <azawawi> i know
18:20:07 <user_6029> so it's not like anything p6 specific :)
18:20:43 <azawawi> in 0.41 we switched to new mimetypes module that screwed a couple of things :)
18:20:51 <user_6029> I'd say! ;)
18:20:53 <Ryan52> what's ctrl-f5 do?
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18:21:09 <azawawi> runs a command
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18:21:24 <user_6029> Ctrl-F5 runs a line of code immediately
18:21:26 <Ryan52> with perl?
18:21:28 <Ryan52> ah.
18:21:29 <user_6029> as for running under which mode, it did not say.
18:21:31 <azawawi> welcome back user_6029 
18:21:39 <Ryan52> has my REPL plugin been replaced?
18:21:40 <user_6029> sorry, misclicked Ctrl-W
18:22:11 * Ryan52 has been using an old version of Padre in production for a long time. too long..
18:22:48 <azawawi> Ryan52: I think we should release soon so users can see what we've doing. 
18:23:21 <user_6029> Uhm, the topic says latest is 0.43
18:23:24 <user_6029> but http://padre.perlide.org/download.html and trac shows 0.41?
18:23:32 <Ryan52> azawawi: why are you telling me this?
18:23:46 <user_6029> are we midway during the 0.43 release and if so, url to a 0.43 installer or build instructions?
18:23:49 <azawawi> Ryan52: i thought you were the new release manager...
18:24:05 <azawawi> user_6029: cpan Padre
18:24:05 <Ryan52> azawawi: nope, garu is still the release monkey for 2 more releases.
18:24:21 <Ryan52> (last I heard)
18:24:23 <azawawi> Ryan52: again with the monkeys thing :)
18:24:36 <Ryan52> yes :)
18:24:52 <user_6029> aha, Ctrl-F5 runs a "shell" comand! That isn't very much well-translated
18:25:03 <Ryan52> ah, yay, my plugin hasn't been replaced
18:25:05 <Ryan52> :P
18:25:07 * user_6029 had the exquisite pleasure of typing "print 1" in Ctrl-F5 and then, get:
18:25:09 <user_6029> �L�k�Ұ� PRN �˸m 
18:25:14 <user_6029> which is hilarious :)
18:25:57 <user_6029> ok, so New...->whataever crashes, P6 execution mode generally doesn't work, but P5 looks solid. got it.
18:26:03 <user_6029> thanks for the quick feedback!
18:26:16 <azawawi> no problem i just woke up :)
18:26:28 <azawawi> user_6029: try upgrading your Padre
18:26:52 <user_6029> embarrasingly, I thought 0.41 was newest. how do I upgrade?
18:27:13 <user_6029> (using the combined installer .msi)
18:27:18 <azawawi> user_6029: 'cpan Padre' on the command line should do it
18:27:53 <user_6029> ah. well it'd help if, like other projects, the Help menu contains a "check for updates"
18:27:57 * user_6029 takes notes
18:28:01 <user_6029> upgrading...
18:28:25 <azawawi> user_6029: agreed
18:28:29 <user_6029> it's using this slightly-slower-at-the-start CPAN::SQLite module...
18:29:32 <azawawi> that's strawberry's...
18:30:13 <azawawi> packaging win32 Six was an idea. We wanted to make it easier for people to try Padre
18:30:17 <user_6029> yeah, I know, I was glad they did that (well CPANPLUS::SQLite would also be nice, but whatever one works, works)
18:31:15 * azawawi fetches the change log
18:31:18 <user_6029> I guess I should switch to semi-permanent irssi+screen instead of this (very neat!) anonymous web irc client
18:31:32 <azawawi> user_6029: http://padre.perlide.org/trac/browser/trunk/Padre/Changes?rev=7490
18:31:56 <azawawi> user_6029: as you can see a lot has been fixed/added
18:31:59 <azawawi> user_6029: :)
18:32:14 <user_6029>     - Temporarily remove PAR support (ADAMK) 
18:32:31 <azawawi> or removed :)
18:32:34 <user_6029> aww :-/ I wonder why. Perhaps I can help...
18:32:47 <user_6029> the upgrading process is still installing PPI.
18:33:12 <azawawi> building six distro is like 3-6 hours
18:33:34 <user_6029> time to rent EC2 instances
18:33:35 <user_6029> ?
18:34:05 <user_6029> I mean, they designed EC2 to do this kind of thing...
18:34:08 <azawawi> CSJewel is doing it on his old laptop. He's the strawberry's pumpking.
18:34:32 <user_6029> right, but whenever I need temporary high speed computation, I rent an Amazon EC2 instance
18:34:44 <azawawi> user_6029: never used
18:34:48 <user_6029> it's cheap and could probably build a distro in 30 minutes, which costs $1 or something...
18:35:01 <azawawi> user_6029: interesting
18:35:13 <azawawi> how fast can they give u?
18:35:18 <user_6029> ok, padre upgraded herself (wow, nice splash screen!)
18:35:34 <azawawi> user_6029: cpan Padre::Plugin::Perl6 
18:36:11 <azawawi> that's Padre :: Plugin :: Perl6 in case of mibbit's emiticons
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18:37:59 <audreyt> there. much better than anonymous web irc :)
18:38:13 <azawawi> wow :)
18:38:19 <azawawi> no way!
18:38:22 <azawawi> welcome back
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18:38:32 <audreyt> glad to be back :)
18:38:47 <audreyt> so let's see... Amazon EC2 instances give you as many cores as you want, opteron-class ~2ghz
18:38:56 <audreyt> 4 or 8 cores are common.
18:39:08 <azawawi> im speechless
18:39:09 <audreyt> no idea how much the build proc can be parallelized, though.
18:39:48 <azawawi> nice
18:40:37 <audreyt> cool, New...->* actually works now, and the upgrade process was smooth. the black console is a bit scary when starting up on win32 -- we can take that out easily with Win32::Exe -- but maybe it was there for diagnostics msg?
18:41:28 <audreyt> weird, when I saved it as .p6 it no longer runs. maybe it still wants the .pl extension just with "use v6;"? trying...
18:42:09 <azawawi> audreyt: i think you have to set "STD.pm" from "Edit/Preferences/Files and Colors"...
18:42:30 <audreyt> isn't it just for highlighting?
18:42:31 <audreyt> trying
18:42:34 <azawawi> audreyt: also make sure you have the latest Syntax::Highlight::Perl6 (which is basically STD.pmc)
18:43:15 <azawawi> audreyt: i know the highlighting sucks but it should be accurate... or that was its goal in the beginning :)
18:43:25 <audreyt> hey, there's a STD.pmc nowadays? seeing "STD" and "pmc" together makes me, like, proud :)
18:43:40 <audreyt> no, highlighting is fine now after setting the pref
18:43:55 <audreyt> it's pressing F5 that doesn't work:
18:43:57 <audreyt> Perl v6.0.0 required--this is only v5.10.0, stopped at C:\Documents and Settings\Owner\My Documents\test.pl line 1.
18:44:38 <azawawi> audreyt: it should detect six under c:\strawberry\six
18:44:52 <azawawi> audreyt: if not try setting RAKUDO_DIR to c:\strawberry\six
18:45:22 <azawawi> most of the team is asleep
18:46:26 <audreyt> I see
18:46:34 <audreyt> I think the root cause is the File+Color pref doesn't stick
18:46:37 <azawawi> audreyt: i also started Perl6::Refactor but did not have the time to finish it (the script inside does the rename var and find declaration thingie)
18:47:02 <audreyt> if you set "File type:" to anything but perl5
18:47:03 <audreyt> hit save
18:47:07 <audreyt> then open pref again
18:47:10 <audreyt> it reverts back to perl5.
18:47:24 <audreyt> so it's conceivable that it could not assume any other runmode.
18:47:45 <azawawi> audreyt:ah that elusive bug... i think you need to set Perl 5 to PPI and Perl 6 to STD.pm
18:47:57 <azawawi> audreyt: we have several highlighters
18:48:07 <audreyt> I see noly scintilla in the dropdown
18:48:13 <audreyt> I guess that means I need to install the rest by hand.
18:48:16 <audreyt> :)
18:48:20 <azawawi> audreyt: :)
18:48:47 <azawawi> audreyt: strange Perl 5 should have at least 3. They're in core.
18:50:02 <azawawi> audreyt: scintilla, PPI standard, and PPI experimental
18:50:18 <azawawi> audreyt: and we have Kate highlighting but that's not complete 
18:50:21 <audreyt>  - ERROR: App::Grok (0.17) is installed, but we need version >= 0.19
18:50:21 <audreyt>  - ERROR: Syntax::Highlight::Perl6 (0.65) is installed, but we need version >=
18:50:21 <audreyt> .71
18:50:23 <audreyt>  - ERROR: Padre (0.43) is installed, but we need version >= 0.44
18:50:55 <audreyt> when installing your P::Plugin::P6
18:50:55 <azawawi> force it :)
18:51:27 <audreyt> I see that the "notest force" culture haven't changed during my two years long absence...
18:51:29 <azawawi> i was delaying the release until 0.44 for a Padre API break...
18:52:23 <azawawi> partly it is my fault, i released it thinking that 0.44 will be released soon
18:52:35 <azawawi> garu is the release manager here for now...
18:52:54 <azawawi> it should actually be released today (monday)
18:53:11 <audreyt> 'sall good then..
18:53:25 <audreyt> I mean, as long as they work together I really don't mind forcing an install
18:53:38 <audreyt> and it's pulling in an entire moosechain...
18:53:39 <azawawi> they should :)
18:53:57 <azawawi> STD.pmc...
18:54:54 <audreyt> and we're back! restarting the butterfly...
18:55:45 <audreyt> heh, _now_ I see the two previously unshownn PPI modes
18:55:54 <audreyt> but still P::P::P6 haven't been seen as a highlighter.
18:56:07 <audreyt> is that not the only module I need installing?
18:56:43 <azawawi> could u paste a list of stuff you need to upgrade on cpan? 
18:57:03 <audreyt> all I did was force installed padre and force installed P::P::P6
18:57:10 <audreyt> based on the combined six installer .msi
18:57:20 <azawawi> hmmm
18:57:35 <azawawi> i use trunk all the time
18:57:51 <azawawi> wait... i'll download it and try upgrading myself
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18:58:25 <audreyt> and I should too, but I was deliberating trying from a user pov -- adamk grinded that pov to me years ago
18:58:38 <audreyt> and I'm sure alias is still grinding that into everyone...
18:58:57 <azawawi> yeah he does :)
18:59:52 <azawawi> http://use.perl.org/~Alias/journal/39468?from=rss
19:00:16 <audreyt> yeah, I read that,
19:00:32 <audreyt> that was why I decided to try logging into #padre as my first irc channcel...
19:00:45 <azawawi> cool
19:01:11 <azawawi> im glad you did that :)
19:01:32 <audreyt> and I'm glad that padre no longer rely on the .p6 extension :)
19:02:03 <azawawi> yeah i asked szabgab to drop it but he wanted it for some slides
19:02:05 <audreyt> imagine how horrible if there were .p5 and .pm5 etc flying around from 1994 to this day :)
19:02:31 <audreyt> it's ok to have it recognize .p6 as a valid extension, just not nice to rely on that extension to be known as p6
19:03:31 <azawawi> we're past that now... detection is fairly good even with MooseX::Declare
19:03:45 <audreyt> excellent.
19:03:58 <audreyt> we use MX::* heavily in daily $job at socialtext
19:04:14 <audreyt> still waiting for solidifying toolchain around MX::Decl to switch to that
19:04:32 <audreyt> and by waiting, of course we mean hacking :)
19:04:53 <audreyt> hey, it's nice knowing you -- I esp. like the human touch on the http://padre.perlide.org/developers.html page -- but I need to run for brunch and finding a place with better wifi.
19:05:02 <azawawi> I am working on Perl 5/6 quick fixes (for errors and warnings). And Perl 5/6 help search...
19:05:02 <audreyt> be back later, and thanks for handholding a newcomer! :)
19:05:25 <azawawi> thanks a lot.
19:05:33 <azawawi> come back soon :)
19:06:12 <audreyt> yes, I saw that in the trac and in the bios :) P6 itself is a language factory, and to refactor a factory and you approach technological singularity jus ta bit closer...
19:06:27 <audreyt> I'll stay here in fact; that's what screen is for :) ttyl!
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19:55:37 <azawawi> garu: pingo
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21:29:17 <szabgab> azawawi, I am sure you were glad you did not explain the complexity of PPI to user_6029 :-)
21:31:22 <azawawi> :)
21:31:31 <azawawi> http://ahmadzawawi.blogspot.com/2009/08/upgrading-padre-almost-six.html
21:31:47 <azawawi> szabgab: i think you need to blog about user_6029 :)
21:33:08 <azawawi> szabgab: today was a great day :)
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21:34:12 <szabgab> hmm, let me think how to make it catchy
21:34:46 <azawawi> user_6029 visits #padre :)
21:35:00 <azawawi> make sure you link to http://irclog.perlgeek.de/padre/2009-08-24
21:35:10 <szabgab> I was thinking along the line "why is it important to be nice to newbies"
21:36:50 <szabgab> azawawi, one fix to your blog post:
21:37:17 <szabgab>  Please note that Padre always installs / Please note that this version of Padre installs 
21:37:51 <szabgab> or even better: please note that this packages only installs ..
21:38:46 <azawawi> i see
21:41:16 <azawawi> ok fixed
21:44:31 <CSJewell> azawawi: My last name has 2 L's at the end of it. :)
21:45:39 <azawawi> fixed :)
21:47:09 <azawawi> hmmm if we can package Rakudo in cpan, then upgrading will be easy ( i think :) )
21:47:32 <azawawi> the binaries that is
21:47:51 <garu> azawawi, pongo! :)
21:48:10 <azawawi> el-pongo from mars? :) 
21:48:19 <azawawi> long timeout
21:48:30 <garu> :)
21:48:44 <azawawi> garu: please check the backlog :)
21:48:50 <garu> it circled earth 65536 times before reaching me
21:48:59 <garu> I did! audrey's back! yay!
21:49:35 <azawawi> and i added one small perl 5 quick fix
21:49:38 <azawawi> try it
21:49:43 <garu> she probably doesn't remember me, but we met when she went to rio
21:49:47 <garu> azawawi, you did?
21:49:49 <garu> ooh
21:49:51 <garu> let me check
21:50:09 <azawawi> on an empty doc, use strict; use warnings; check...
21:51:46 <azawawi> i think 0.44 is ready to go. Anything against releasing it? :)
21:53:58 <azawawi> and 0.43 has a perl 5.8.x compatibility problem.... "someone" i know added a //
21:54:25 <garu> hehehhe
21:54:49 <garu> yeah, I'm thinking of releasing it now :)
21:55:01 <garu> it's 2am here, but what the hell
21:55:07 <garu> it's monday for most of you :)
21:55:38 <CSJewell> Not me yet, garu. 11pm here.
21:56:16 <azawawi> CSJewell: any plans for 5.10.1?
21:56:24 <garu> CSJewell, US, right?
21:56:42 <garu> azawawi, I can't get an error that gives me a quick fix :(
21:57:00 <garu> my creativity is short today...
21:57:19 <azawawi> garu: not error for now, just open a new document and then ctrl-2
21:57:26 <CSJewell> azawawi: I've got a beta Strawberry built with it, I just need to update the appropriate pages.
21:57:30 <CSJewell> garu: yes.
21:58:02 <garu> azawawi, aaahhh, strict and warnings, cool
21:58:35 <azawawi> garu: i made the initial stuff we need to get going in Padre 0.44
21:58:50 <azawawi> garu: my main focus is to keep it stable for CSJewell's release
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21:59:38 <azawawi> work &
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22:00:26 <CSJewell> I'm not going to do 5.10.1 for this round of Padre builds, but will do it for September's.
22:01:00 <garu> CSJewell, did you get a chance to review the "stable" release plan?
22:01:37 <CSJewell> I've heard a few things about it... Is there a web page/blog entry/e-mail with more details?
22:01:54 <garu> not yet
22:02:02 <garu> see what you think:
22:02:13 <garu> we release 0.44 monday (today)
22:02:33 <garu> then we create a 0.45 branch
22:02:50 <garu> people continue mangling with trunk
22:03:04 <garu> and we get bugfixes and translations merged to the 0.45 branch
22:03:20 <garu> so friday you and me can release a "stable" 0.45
22:03:33 <CSJewell> OK. That should work.
22:04:31 <garu> even though trunk will probably have more features, but that only means Ryan52 can release 0.46 at that very same day if he wants (only it will not be "stable", meaning new features but no .msi)
22:09:06 <CSJewell> Any changes in dependencies I should know about?
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22:11:34 <garu> CSJewell, knowing Alias, probably :)
22:11:45 <garu> but most likely less dependencies, not more
22:12:03 <CSJewell> Good.
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22:13:28 <Ryan52> CSJewell: we (the downstream distributors) should write a tool that "diffs" dependencies.
22:15:43 <szabgab> diff the Makefile.PL between the last tag and trunk
22:16:46 <CSJewell> Well... That assumes that things that Padre depends on did not add/subtract, and same thing for PPP6.
22:17:52 <szabgab> ah
22:21:11 <CSJewell> I'd have to diff the Makefile.PL recursively. :(
22:21:38 <CSJewell> I know there's one additional dependency to Strawberry for July already...
22:22:13 <CSJewell> since July, I mean.
22:24:35 <garu> szabgab, one thing that might be troublesome
22:24:50 <garu> is that we'll need to keep monitoring trunk for the whole week
22:25:03 <garu> orienting devs to also commit fixes to the stable branch
22:25:07 <szabgab> I would go the opposite way
22:25:30 <szabgab> tell the translators to do things on the branch
22:25:55 <szabgab> and implement the critical bug fixes on the branch only
22:26:21 <szabgab> here is where git would be much better of course
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22:26:48 <Ryan52> CSJewell: make it recursive? :)
22:28:20 <CSJewell> I was thinking (for in the future) use that nice CPANDB stuff that Alias is hacking on to get the data to diff. (use a snapshot from around the last release-time, then snapshot it again and diff that.)
22:31:11 <garu> szabgab, cool, but we'll still have to make sure devs and translators are complying
22:31:30 <garu> it's very easy to forget, specially since one needs to svn switch and all
22:32:34 <szabgab> yes, so we should communicate it via the e-mail and the IRC channel
22:35:24 <garu> right
22:35:47 <garu> are we go for 0.44 release now?
22:37:48 <szabgab> I think so
22:37:51 <szabgab> http://szabgab.com/blog/2009/08/1251089599.html
22:38:05 <szabgab> can someone look at that blog post and tell me if is ok?
22:39:38 <szabgab> if I am not overdoing something there
22:40:41 <garu> I'm reading it now
22:42:00 <garu> szabgab, she wasn't "posing as newbie"... she -is- a Padre newbie :)
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22:45:59 <garu> szabgab, so maybe the end could be "the newbie in your project might turn out to be the person who created a lot of the modules it depends on"
22:46:36 <garu> with Alias, tsee, jq and audrey, it only gets better if we see "mattia has joined #padre" :)
22:47:17 <szabgab> and maybe TimToday ;-)
22:48:04 <garu> :)
22:49:05 <garu> szabgab, maybe we can get him to say what he'd want on an IDE, so we can put "When I code, be it Perl 5 or Perl 6, I always use Padre (TimToady)"
22:49:30 <garu> just like the strawberry advertisement
22:49:55 <szabgab> we just have to make Padre interesting enough for him to use it
22:50:07 <Ryan52> tho he's probably a hard core vim user. (or something)
22:50:23 <szabgab> azawawi made quite a few steps in that direction I think
22:50:24 * Ryan52 says that about most "famous" programmers
22:50:26 <garu> yeah, which is why we could ask him what he'd want on an IDE
22:50:58 <garu> let's face it, most of us are hardcore vim/emacs users
22:51:13 <garu> and padre is getting to us little by little
22:51:16 <garu> feature by feature
22:51:32 <garu> (or notepad++ for win32 users)
22:52:21 <garu> today was a really cool day for Padre, because we got audreyt to use Padre
22:52:43 <garu> and for what I read, she's here for the long run, which is great
22:53:10 <garu> so, little by little, feature by feature, we are getting people's attention
22:53:53 <szabgab> garu, do you have sdl installed ?
22:54:05 <garu> szabgab, yeah
22:54:16 <garu> which reminds me, I haven't tested the sdl plugin yet
22:54:45 <szabgab> then try the 08 and 09 examples 
22:54:53 <garu> okay, hold on
22:54:55 <szabgab> perl Padre-Plugin-SDL/share/examples/08-drag-image.pl
22:55:15 <szabgab> there is not much to see in the plugin itself yet
22:56:36 <garu> I love the fact that it's less and less common to get "leaked scalars" output after running dev.pl... I just hope it's not just because we disabled that output :P
22:57:24 <szabgab> maybe all the scalars have already leaked and no more is left
22:57:56 <garu> Can't locate auto/SDL/IMGLoad.al 
22:58:17 <szabgab> have you installed SDL from CPAN?
22:58:38 <garu> yeah
22:58:52 <garu> 2.2.1 here
22:59:08 <szabgab> then either remove that and install from aptitude or ... 1 sec
22:59:40 <garu> holy crap Frozen Bubble stopped working!!!!
22:59:47 <garu> damn new SDL 
23:00:29 <szabgab> install the dependencies http://wiki.github.com/kthakore/SDL_perl/dependencies
23:00:33 <szabgab> and the rebuild SDL
23:00:56 <szabgab> yes, kthakore knows about the problems and is fixing them
23:02:23 <garu> wait... I need to rebuild SDL by hand? like good old slackware?
23:02:47 <garu> why isn't an updated version on ubuntu?
23:04:10 <garu> szabgab, (OT) should we remove the "updated Czech translation" from the Changes files?
23:04:31 <garu> or is it "created Czech translation" ?
23:04:47 <szabgab> garu, it was an update, I think you can remove it
23:04:54 <garu> ok
23:05:15 <szabgab> garu, SDL, what I meant is that you have to reinstall SDL_Perl after you installed the dependencies
23:05:26 <szabgab> so it can find them and compile with them
23:05:39 <szabgab> reinstall from CPAN
23:05:59 <garu> hmm... but I have all those libs installed (including their -dev packages) on ubuntu
23:06:27 <garu> let me try removing SDL perl lib
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23:06:41 <azawawi> im back
23:06:44 <azawawi> :)
23:06:57 <Hyppolit> svn: r7493 | garu++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7493
23:06:57 <Hyppolit>      removed note on updated translation
23:06:57 <Hyppolit>      trunk/Padre/
23:08:06 <garu> azawawi, too bad we actually have to run the code to get some errors on perl5... meaning quick fix might need to magically find them
23:08:41 <Ryan52> debian/ubuntu have outdated version of sdl perl?
23:08:43 <Ryan52> I can fix that..
23:08:50 <azawawi> garu: not magically, find errors in output :)
23:09:36 <garu> azawawi, yeah, but we have to run the code for the first time though
23:09:52 <garu> Ryan52, I don't know, can you check it out please?
23:10:01 <azawawi> garu: i see
23:10:27 <azawawi> CSJewell: ping
23:10:38 <CSJewell> What?
23:10:48 <Ryan52> garu: ok, emailing current debian maintainers asking why it's outdated and offering to help..
23:11:07 <azawawi> CSJewell: for dependencies, see the errors/warnings in http://ahmadzawawi.blogspot.com/2009/08/upgrading-padre-almost-six.html
23:11:13 <szabgab> Ryan52, it isn't I think
23:11:44 <CSJewell> What I meant was if there was any dependencies that needed added or removed... I'll pick up updated ones.
23:11:46 <szabgab> it is just the SDL_Perl development restarted a fee weeks ago and the new releases are still a bit shaky
23:12:27 <szabgab> but I have to go now to locate a place with AC
23:12:40 <azawawi> i added a Perl6::Doc requirement to make sure we have (although this is covered by App::Grok)
23:13:07 <szabgab> later&
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23:14:18 <Ryan52> damnit, now I'm playing frozen bubble and can't stop.
23:14:25 <Ryan52> :P
23:14:29 <garu> (frozen bubble)++
23:14:48 <azawawi> what's that game? :)
23:14:54 <garu> what?!
23:14:57 <Sewi> Ryan52: It's a known problem with this game.
23:15:03 <garu> azawawi, you don't know frozen bubble?!
23:15:37 <garu> azawawi, it's a small silly and -extremely- addictive game
23:15:45 <azawawi> now i know it :)
23:15:55 <garu> some people claim it was solely responsible for delaying a debian release
23:16:18 <Sewi> lol
23:16:28 <azawawi> i see
23:16:46 <garu> azawawi, and it's written in SDL_perl :)
23:17:45 <azawawi> i see
23:17:50 <azawawi> lovely
23:17:54 <azawawi> no win32 port then
23:18:12 <garu> http://www.frozen-bubble.org/
23:18:26 <garu> azawawi, yeah.... maybe you should try and port it :)
23:18:40 <garu> it'll probably help a lot the new SDL_Perl team :)
23:18:52 <garu> and the whole perl gaming community
23:18:52 <Ryan52> hahaha
23:20:12 <azawawi> any idea how to generate permanent links to github.com files?
23:20:40 <garu> I'm not sure I follow
23:20:40 <azawawi> i.e. latest version...
23:20:51 <azawawi> im trying to link to http://github.com/cowens/perlopref/tree/master
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23:21:01 <azawawi> to perlopref (Perl Operator Reference)
23:21:23 <azawawi> but that's like http://github.com/cowens/perlopref/blob/5c3c0f7ca40e940600cd9abc2a931199ccf8629a/perlopref.pod
23:21:33 <azawawi> and changes for each new version
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23:22:03 <Ryan52> azawawi: s/biglonghash/master/
23:22:07 <garu> http://github.com/cowens/perlopref/blob/master/perlopref.pod
23:22:12 <Ryan52> so http://github.com/cowens/perlopref/blob/master/perlopref.pod
23:22:14 <garu> azawawi, ^^
23:22:16 <Ryan52> ya, what he said.
23:23:03 <azawawi> Ryan52: cool http://github.com/cowens/perlopref/raw/master/perlopref.pod
23:23:06 <garu> azawawi, when you get to http://github.com/cowens/perlopref/tree/master, just append the wanted filename and github will resolve the link to that blob one
23:23:39 * azawawi hmmm... asking really works :)
23:27:09 <garu> :)
23:27:22 <Hyppolit> svn: r7494 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7494
23:27:22 <Hyppolit>      [Padre/tools] parse_perlopref.pl is using github permanent links (Ryan52++, garu++)
23:27:22 <Hyppolit>      trunk/tools/
23:28:05 <Hyppolit> svn: r7495 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7495
23:28:05 <Hyppolit>      [Padre/tools] and it is being renamed into update_perlopref.pl
23:28:05 <Hyppolit>      trunk/tools/
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23:32:05 <garu> Ryan52, did you see ubuntu packages for SDL_net, SDL_svg and SDL_vnc?
23:33:14 <Ryan52> nope
23:33:27 <garu> :(
23:33:52 <garu> azawawi, are we go for 0.44?
23:35:51 <azawawi> yeah
23:35:59 <azawawi> im just updating tools outside
23:36:26 * Sewi is updating the translation...
23:37:48 <garu> Sewi, thanks!
23:38:30 <Hyppolit> svn: r7496 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7496
23:38:30 <Hyppolit>      German translation at 100% again
23:38:30 <Hyppolit>      trunk/Padre/share/locale/
23:39:19 <azawawi> let me check the translation
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23:39:50 <azawawi> garu: release it when you're ready :)
23:40:22 <szabgab> garu, have you managed width SDL ?
23:40:23 <Hyppolit> svn: r7497 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7497
23:40:23 <Hyppolit>      Updated German translation to 100%
23:40:23 <Hyppolit>      trunk/Padre-Plugin-Perl6/lib/Padre/Plugin/Perl6/share/locale/
23:40:57 <garu> szabgab, didn't get to fix that problem yet
23:41:18 <garu> but I've used SDL perl before, if that's what you meant :)
23:41:24 <szabgab> ok, shall I tidy the files in Padre?
23:41:52 <Hyppolit> svn: r7498 | garu++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7498
23:41:52 <Hyppolit>      updated brazilian portuguese translation
23:41:52 <Hyppolit>      trunk/Padre/share/locale/
23:42:09 <garu> szabgab, that's the first step of the release, but feel free :)
23:42:35 <szabgab> yeah, I could do with some more lines of code under my name :-)
23:43:00 <garu> hahah
23:43:06 <garu> szabgab, be my guest
23:43:12 <garu> szabgab, want to release 0.44?
23:43:21 <szabgab> hmm, there was only one file that is not tidy, have you ran it recently ?
23:43:23 <szabgab> no thank :-)
23:43:28 <garu> damn
23:43:32 <garu> worth a shot :)
23:43:39 <Hyppolit> svn: r7499 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7499
23:43:39 <Hyppolit>      perltidy
23:43:39 <Hyppolit>      trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/QuickFixProvider/
23:43:54 <garu> szabgab, I ran it on the 0.43 release, maybe azawawi did it
23:46:53 <Hyppolit> svn: r7500 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7500
23:46:53 <Hyppolit>      update pot file
23:46:53 <Hyppolit>      trunk/Padre/share/locale/
23:46:55 <azawawi> i always perltidy... :)
23:50:26 <Hyppolit> svn: r7501 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7501
23:50:26 <Hyppolit>      [tools] update_perlopref.pl downloads latest perlopref.pod (Perl Operator references)
23:50:26 <Hyppolit>      [tools] and copies it to its proper place in Padre
23:50:26 <Hyppolit>      trunk/tools/
23:52:29 <garu> hmm... 4am.... better go to sleep and release it on (my) monday
23:52:37 <garu> g'night everyone!
23:52:40 <garu> &
23:52:44 <azawawi> good night
23:54:45 <Hyppolit> svn: r7502 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7502
23:54:45 <Hyppolit>      [Padre] Arabic translation back to 100%
23:54:45 <Hyppolit>      trunk/Padre/share/locale/
23:55:51 <szabgab> night garu